So one of the bosses in the Argent Tournament Colosseum will be the Argent Confessor who requires you to relive "memories" of past battles, allowing players to fight souped-up level-80 versions of Onyxia, Illidian Stormrage and of course Hogger.
The reaction to this news is split perfectly between two different sorts of moron.
Moron type A says "lol brilliant, this is the best news ever" or even better "hooray, now I get to fight those bosses without wasting time fighting miles of trash".
Moron type B says "I already killed those guys, I don't want to kill them again, I pay Blizzard millions of dollars [1] for new content and they're ripping us off by recycling old fights".
Both types of moron make the same mistake, which is failing to understand what "content" is.
Having a boss spawn a mob called "Memory of Onyxia" is not the same as fighting Onyxia. I haven't actually fought Ony myself - I came to the game too late for that - but a quick look at WoWwikiki reveals that Onyxia was a three-stage fight, which called for careful threat management and stacking Fire Resistance to deal with a taunt-immune boss and massively disrupting fear effects which interacted with environmental hazards.
The list of retro-bosses you can fight in this encounter is huge, and ranges from the deadly (Algalon) to the comical (Hogger, Mutanus). There are two possibilities. Either the players are required to remember, and instantly adapt to, the strategy for any boss that could conceivably be spawned in this encounter, which would make it the single most challenging raid encounter ever, because you'd have to snap immediately into the appropriate strategy for Onyxia, or Illidian, or Algalon without missing a beat. The alternative, of course, is that she just spawns a level 83 Elite mob with the same name as an old boss, who does a bit of AoE and hits reasonably hard on plate.
Place your bets?
What people - and by "people" I unfortunately mean "people including Blizzard employees" - don't seem to understand is that content isn't graphics. It isn't pictures. It isn't scenery or dialogue. It's gameplay. This fight doesn't allow you to fight old raid bosses at 80, it allows you to *remember* fighting them (which is, I suppose, appropriate). It's equivalent of having the boss randomly emote things like "Hey, remember the Black Temple, it's been totally nerfed".
The problem is that you can't really do Onyxia any more. Even if you do it at level, a 60th level character now is flat out more powerful than a 60th level character in vanilla WoW (especially if you have Outland gear) - everything is designed for level 80 content. When this news first came out I thought that Blizzard were actually finally going to retune the old instances for level 80 so that I can actually access the content I fucking paid for but no, they're going to put the name "Illidian" on a generic elite mob, and people are going to think that's the same as doing the BT.
Darn.
[1] The Type A moron will always treat the combined income of any organization they have contact with as having come directly from their own purse.
Tuesday, 30 June 2009
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I'll be honest, I laughed when I realized I'd get to take on Hogger in a 25-person raid. I expect I'll laugh again when it happens. But otherwise, yeah, what you said.
ReplyDeleteHaving just tried to do BT last night with the guild I fell qualified to make this totally unqualified statement: 16 lvl 80s in Naxxx25/Ulduar10 gear ARE NOT PREPARED!
ReplyDeleteI concur that the Memory of said Boss is not the same as fighting said Boss but maybe one (like me) hasn't seen ALL that vanilla WoW and the harder parts of TBC had to offer so this will be a TOTALLY NEW experience for quite a number of people. Sure it's not the same as having done the bosses back in TBC, but many many subscribers never got that far. Going back with your 80s or maybe ,after 3.2 drops with the XP stop, with some 60s or 70s and doing those awesome dungeons AT LEVEL will be similar to reliving those non-exsitant memories.
The problem is that you can't really do Onyxia any more. Even if you do it at level, a 60th level character now is flat out more powerful than a 60th level character in vanilla WoW (especially if you have Outland gear) - everything is designed for level 80 content. When this news first came out I thought that Blizzard were actually finally going to retune the old instances for level 80 so that I can actually access the content I fucking paid for but no, they're going to put the name "Illidian" on a generic elite mob, and people are going to think that's the same as doing the BT.
I just don't agree, if On is a 40 man raid boss for lvl 60 and 60s are too powerful (with outland gear or without) Make it harder, only take 30 lvl 60s, its similar to hard modes, FL to easy? leave some towers up...
Fact is WE WILL NOT EXPERIENCE THE SAME CONTENT AS THOSE WHO ORIGINALLY DID THIS CONTENT AT LEVEL. You can never go back.
"I concur that the Memory of said Boss is not the same as fighting said Boss but maybe one (like me) hasn't seen ALL that vanilla WoW and the harder parts of TBC had to offer so this will be a TOTALLY NEW experience for quite a number of people."
ReplyDeleteJust to be clear - *I* never raided in Outland. Hell, I didn't even hit Hellfire Peninsula until after Wrath launched.
As a result, I would love the opportunity to take down Onyxia - sure I could do it at 60 but trying to get even 10 other people to come and do it without any of them saying "brb getting on my 80 lol" would be virtually impossible.
The thing is, this fight in the Colosseum (which, for what it's worth, I almost certainly won't do either, because I can't get over the gear hurdle for Naxx) won't be "taking down Onyxia" it will be "taking down a random Elite with Onyxia's name".
Fact is WE WILL NOT EXPERIENCE THE SAME CONTENT AS THOSE WHO ORIGINALLY DID THIS CONTENT AT LEVEL. You can never go back.
They could retool the raid for level 80. It wouldn't be hard and it would mean that there was *more content* in the endgame. Sure, some of it would be "old" content but, as you say, a lot of WoW players never saw it.
same Anonymous as above;
ReplyDeleteIf I was in your Guild and you proposed doing Ony in guild chat, I would get my lvl 60 wutever and join you.. hoping and praying and getting on everyone's nerves that I know "to go get their 60s" to do Ony AT LVL.
If there is one thing I dislike it's that kinda "I'll get my 80 and we can solo this" attitude. For this purpose I will have a Char XP stopped at 60 and another XP stopped at 70, plus the couple of 80's I call my own...
yes I have no life..
carrying on I've gotten a number of my guild friends interested in getting an alt to lvl 70 and running all that old school TBC stuffs.. If you can find like minded people I am pretty sure it'll be a blast.
As for the retooling, I work in the IT world and project management after implementation is the harder part of programming in my opinion. Retooling old code that maybe you didn't write and the guy/girl who did might no longer be employed here, is a real Pain. It's not quite as enjoyable as creating new content.
After all Programmers would like to be consider artists too.